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beebee
Only took Canada 14 years and since 1961 all 10 provinces have had it.

Nuff excuses as to why it can't be done. As we all know it's more cost effective.

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Canadian health care spending for 1970 to 2007 compared with other nations
It was not until 1947[45] that the first Canadian province introduced near universal health coverage. Saskatchewan long had a shortage of doctors, leading to the creation of municipal doctor programs in the early twentieth century in which a town would subsidize a doctor to practice there. Soon after, groups of communities joined to open union hospitals under a similar model. There had thus been a long history of government involvement in Saskatchewan health care, and a significant section of it was already controlled and paid for by the government. In 1946, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation government in Saskatchewan passed the Saskatchewan Hospitalization Act, which guaranteed free hospital care for much of the population. Tommy Douglas had hoped to provide universal health care, but the province did not have the money.

In 1950, Alberta's Social Credit party also introduced a public health care plan. Alberta, however, created Medical Services (Alberta) Incorporated (MS(A)I) in 1948 to provide prepaid health services. This scheme eventually provided medical coverage to over 90% of the population.[46]

In 1957, the majority Liberal government under Louis St. Laurent passed the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act[47] to fund 50% of the cost of such programs for any provincial government that adopted them. The HIDS Act outlined five conditions: public administration, comprehensiveness, universality, portability, and accessibility. These remain the pillars of the Canada Health Act.

By 1961, all ten provinces had agreed to start HIDS Act programs. In Saskatchewan, the act meant that half of their current program would now be paid for by the federal government. C.C.F. Premier Woodrow Lloyd decided to use this freed money to extend the health coverage to also include physicians. Despite the sharp disagreement of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons, Lloyd introduced the law in 1962 after defeating the Saskatchewan doctors' strike in July.
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beebee
Only took Canada 14 years and since 1961 all 10 provinces have had it.

Nuff excuses as to why it can't be done. As we all know it's more cost effective.

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The beginning of coverage 
Canadian health care spending for 1970 to 2007 compared with other nations
It was not until 1947[45] that the first Canadian province introduced near universal health coverage. Saskatchewan long had a shortage of doctors, leading to the creation of municipal doctor programs in the early twentieth century in which a town would subsidize a doctor to practice there. Soon after, groups of communities joined to open union hospitals under a similar model. There had thus been a long history of government involvement in Saskatchewan health care, and a significant section of it was already controlled and paid for by the government. In 1946, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation government in Saskatchewan passed the Saskatchewan Hospitalization Act, which guaranteed free hospital care for much of the population. Tommy Douglas had hoped to provide universal health care, but the province did not have the money.

In 1950, Alberta's Social Credit party also introduced a public health care plan. Alberta, however, created Medical Services (Alberta) Incorporated (MS(A)I) in 1948 to provide prepaid health services. This scheme eventually provided medical coverage to over 90% of the population.[46]

In 1957, the majority Liberal government under Louis St. Laurent passed the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act[47] to fund 50% of the cost of such programs for any provincial government that adopted them. The HIDS Act outlined five conditions: public administration, comprehensiveness, universality, portability, and accessibility. These remain the pillars of the Canada Health Act.

By 1961, all ten provinces had agreed to start HIDS Act programs. In Saskatchewan, the act meant that half of their current program would now be paid for by the federal government. C.C.F. Premier Woodrow Lloyd decided to use this freed money to extend the health coverage to also include physicians. Despite the sharp disagreement of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons, Lloyd introduced the law in 1962 after defeating the Saskatchewan doctors' strike in July.
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davidgmills

That is Canada; not the US.  As I said we can't even get a single state to do it.  Vermont tried, California tried and probably some others.  We have got medical marijuana passed in a number of states but our new AG wants to prosecute those states.  And I don't know how Canada works but federal law in the US is the supreme law of the land.  I am a bit surprised that the state medical marijuana laws have not been held unconstitutional yet, but I haven't really been following the arguments closely. 

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beebee
I not only think, but know we are on the same page, David.

But your argument was that these things only happen 'incrementally' seems to ring a bell and you used Canada, as an example as it did start with one province. 

My point was that while it started with only one province, it only took two to gather steam and then ALL were on board.

I understand what you are saying about how difficult this is to get started in the US , but it not because the public does not want it.
The overwhelming majority do.

The problem lies with our politicians. 

Who just shot it down in California? A f'ing DEM. 

Baucus Fucus rides again!

That's because our politicians are all bought out and f'ing well sold.

That's the REAL problem.

We have as Bernie pointed out the infrastructure already in place. Medicare. That operates at something like a percent or so of the it's budget.

The problem again, lies with our sold out politicians to the insurance co and pharmaceutical companies, not the American people or the ability to implement it.

Check out this graft.

US- pays the most per capita and delivers the least to the least amount of people.

Where do you think all that money goes??? [rolleyes]
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davidgmills
I don't have any confidence in our ability to rid ourselves of the politicians who constantly beat us down.
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Flygirl
Beebee..I specifically remember Kusinich flying on AF1 as well and Dennis selling out..I was livid over it...he lost all my respect that day!
He can not get my respect back...
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davidgmills
Flygirl wrote:
Beebee..I specifically remember Kusinich flying on AF1 as well and Dennis selling out..I was livid over it...he lost all my respect that day!
He can not get my respect back...



He's never let me down on war though.  He is far better on that issue than anybody in Congress that I can remember.

As badly as I want single payer, I want the wars to stop much more.
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beebee
I don't think it's a matter whether one wants wars to stop more than getting single payer, although one could argue both woukd save lives. Theirs and ours.

It's about electing someone to the position of president who is not a sell out. Someone who has the balls or ovaries to stand up for their convictions.

All it took for Kucinich to change his adamantly held position on the flawed ACA Bill, that didn't include the promised public option, " No Healthcare bill shall pass my desk without a public option", that one, was a quick flight on AF1 with Obama.

For all the good he has done, I have the same qualms about Bernie.
He met Obama at the WH in the morning, headed over to see his dear friend Howard Reid as Obama was already, immediately played his prerecorded endorsement of Hillary.

Bernie then conceded after promising his supporters and delegates he'd take it all the way to the convention.
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davidgmills
They are all sell outs.  Or compromisers depending on your point of view.

But Kucinch has never sold out on war that I am aware.

Anybody who enlists in the military is a sellout as far as I am concerned -- so that nixes Tulsi for me.
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