aspirant
https://newlevellers.blogspot.com/2020/07/covid-lies-we-dont-question.html
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Fire With Fire
There is an ongoing discussion now about whether public schools should open this fall.  Like everything else this Asteroid Virus season, the argument is extremely weird.  One commonly "understood" aspect of the virus is that it does not seem to cause much, if any, harm to the very young. But one answer to that argument for allowing the kids to get back to classroom education struck me as worth consideration -- yeah, kids don't suffer the symptoms, but they do relate to their grandparents whom they can infect, perhaps fatally.  I found a reasonable answer -- if kids are going to spend part of their day on Zoom, it would make more sense to see their grandparents online and go to real school for real education.  Oh, yeah?  Well some kids live with their grandparents -- you think it is ok for them to be killed?  And besides, what about the adults on campus?  You want them to die, too?

Always that meme in support of every regulation imposed -- "Oh, so you are willing to kill people for your own greed."  I do not like the smell of that very common line of argumentation on the internet.


That article is very interesting and persuasive.  Of course, for all I know every citation in the piece is fake news.  But, four months in, I see this kind of piece posted occasionally -- like Ed's essays here.  I have not found anything on the other side of that debate that comes close to the reasonableness of the best skeptical takes on the disease.  

Not that it matters at this point.  The lockdown has done all the harm it can do already to the fabric of social life.  There is no "there" to go "back" to now.
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Excellent article. Bookmarked. Thanks.
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aspirant
Thanks for reading with an open mind


Excellent article. Bookmarked. Thanks.



Thanks for reading with an open mind
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Sriracha
There is an ongoing discussion now about whether public schools should open this fall.  Like everything else this Asteroid Virus season, the argument is extremely weird.  One commonly "understood" aspect of the virus is that it does not seem to cause much, if any, harm to the very young. But one answer to that argument for allowing the kids to get back to classroom education struck me as worth consideration -- yeah, kids don't suffer the symptoms, but they do relate to their grandparents whom they can infect, perhaps fatally.  I found a reasonable answer -- if kids are going to spend part of their day on Zoom, it would make more sense to see their grandparents online and go to real school for real education.  Oh, yeah?  Well some kids live with their grandparents -- you think it is ok for them to be killed?  And besides, what about the adults on campus?  You want them to die, too?

Always that meme in support of every regulation imposed -- "Oh, so you are willing to kill people for your own greed."  I do not like the smell of that very common line of argumentation on the internet.


That article is very interesting and persuasive.  Of course, for all I know every citation in the piece is fake news.  But, four months in, I see this kind of piece posted occasionally -- like Ed's essays here.  I have not found anything on the other side of that debate that comes close to the reasonableness of the best skeptical takes on the disease.  

Not that it matters at this point.  The lockdown has done all the harm it can do already to the fabric of social life.  There is no "there" to go "back" to now.


Israel had Covid under control. Almost gone. Then they opened schools. They are not locking down again b/c Covid spread like wild fire in schools. 
Pipeline and Railroad across the Berring Strait: Bye bye middle east quagmires. Bye bye 23ft/gal super tankers polluting the world. Add a highway to that. Then we can drive to Asia, Europe and Africa. Road trip heaven!
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aspirant
I can't find a single Israeli child reported to have died from attending classes in the articles I have read

Just more of the "testing positive" covered in this post's original article
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Sriracha
aspirant wrote:
I can't find a single Israeli child reported to have died from attending classes in the articles I have read

Just more of the "testing positive" covered in this post's original article


Those kids have parents and grand parents they take the disease home to.
Also, give it time. You can get this virus over and over again. And, it does more damage to you each time.
The way to deal with this virus until there is a treatment. (there will be no vaccine) Is to deprive it of hosts. The best method for that is for .gov to mail everyone a gas mask to use inside buildings and in crowds. As well as stopping all international travel to the USA. Then slowly allowing travel from other countries that have defeated the virus. This would also be a grand step in the direction of civil defense. Those masks can be stored in your closet until needed again. Hopefully that is never. However, the psychic that predicted this said it reappears in 2030. Aren't we lucky...
Pipeline and Railroad across the Berring Strait: Bye bye middle east quagmires. Bye bye 23ft/gal super tankers polluting the world. Add a highway to that. Then we can drive to Asia, Europe and Africa. Road trip heaven!
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aspirant
If a mask is the ultimate protection, the cure all from anything contagious, why would mask wearers have any concern about non-mask wearers?
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aspirant wrote:
If a mask is the ultimate protection, the cure all from anything contagious, why would mask wearers have any concern about non-mask wearers?


Masks somewhat protect the wearer to different degrees depending on what they are made of, but are mainly meant to protect others from the wearer spreading large droplets from sneezing and coughing.

When two people wear them or  everyone wears them, both or all party’s get protection from each other. That’s how it works.
We will not win fighting what we hate but by saving what we love.

Keep Calm and Carry On 👍


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aspirant
Sriracha wrote "you can get this virus over and over again" so coughing and sneezing into your own mask will reinfect you "over and over again"?
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Fire With Fire
Masks?  Meh.

I don't believe I have had much to say about them, except to note that I wear mine when I am out in the world.  

I maintain that virtually everything you hear about the pandemic is unproven.  There is plausible internet disputation about every single aspect from the genesis of the "virus" through whether there is only one thing within several variants what we call covid-19 and whether it even is a virus and on to the question of accuracy about all the "data" reported about it -- including the specific cause of death, the validity of test results and the efficacy of social distancing.  These unknowns are far easier for me to cope with emotionally than the quadzillion articles, posts, videos and message board comments that pretend to know exactly what will happen next.  The best example of this were the chortling assholes who were predicting mass death for all the idiots who marched in anti-lockdown demonstrations.  Didn't happen, but the assholes who claimed it would have moved on to other memes.
 
I have zero respect for any comment from any source that does not acknowledge the contingent nature of every single "fact" about the virus.

All that said, I have no bitch against the masks.  They are nothing more than annoying and one of the few comprehensible points made in the torrent of bullshit these days is that masks can keep oral aerosol projections to a microscopic minimum, which "protects" uninfected people from carriers.  I don't much care about how many lives this is supposed to save -- it is a minor inconvenience, and it at least makes some sense.

My complaint is 100% about keeping people out of work.  And, four months of intentional Depression has done its worst, and it does not matter any more.  We might as well stay in house arrest until either the virus runs its course or civil war makes everything moot.

I don't like the emotion of dread and, believe it or not, I am accustomed to being too optimistic.  I thought, for example, that Bernie Sanders had made a deal (implicit or possibly explicit) to avoid fucking with the War Machine in exchange for a clean shot at the Presidency.  Talk about a cockeyed optimist!

But here we are.  Four months into a nightmare composed of a fucking shit load of bullshit plus the real problem of a novel infectious disease, our decision to "shut down" has destroyed the future of the country.  All the organized bullshit aside, I have never said and I still do not believe that this is some massive organized effort to transform the world into a global prison.

It just happens to be doing that.  Dread is a bitch.
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Mostly my take also. Especially the keeping of people out of work, and people making authoritative statements based on a lot of unproven assumptions that have been parroted so many times that they are accepted as  obvious facts.  Fundamentally, the belief that anyone has actually isolated a virus which they can prove causes COVID-19 I assume is due to blind faith that medical experts wouldn't skip over such an important step. Yet thus far Koch's postulates have not been satisfied.  Those that have alleged to have satisfied Koch's postulates attempted to substitute alternative steps, presumably because they failed otherwise. That means they can't be sure what the hell their PCR tests are detecting (which explains why flipping a coin is a more reliably way to check for COVID), and it will be a hell of a mystery as to what they will be targeting with a vaccine.
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