Sriracha
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/04/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/

We will now present Pravda’s biased article and, below that, the actual study proving the capability of producing COVID 19, proving it is not a naturally occurring virus once and for all.

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This makes discussing the Wuhan lab possibly complicit in bio-warfare.

Similarly, when Forbes Magazine and others stated they could prove COVID 19 was made naturally, and of course they had the same access we have, we suspect that they are part of a disinformation effort tied to USAID and bio-warfare.

Suspicion is not proof.  The proof is proof and there is proof enough to drown in.  Our thanks to the American medical professionals who pimped themselves out to the US Army and CIA and who helped bring us where we are now, a nation broken to pieces.

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Sriracha
Digging deeper. I discovered this.

https://www.disabledveterans.org/2020/03/11/flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-risk/

"Taken at face value, the study indicates people who receive the flu vaccine are at increased risk for coronavirus pre-COVID-19. Like veterans, current service members, school teachers, and medical professionals, the study population consisted of a population with a history of being heavily vaccinated."

Which correlates to this part of the Nature article from 2015:

To evaluate the efficacy of existing vaccines against infection with SHC014-MA15, we vaccinated aged mice with double-inactivated whole SARS-CoV (DIV). Previous work showed that DIV could neutralize and protect young mice from challenge with a homologous virus14; however, the vaccine failed to protect aged animals in which augmented immune pathology was also observed, indicating the possibility of the animals being harmed because of the vaccination15. Here we found that DIV did not provide protection from challenge with SHC014-MA15 with regards to weight loss or viral titer (Supplementary Fig. 5a,b). Consistent with a previous report with other heterologous group 2b CoVs15, serum from DIV-vaccinated, aged mice also failed to neutralize SHC014-MA15 (Supplementary Fig. 5c). Notably, DIV vaccination resulted in robust immune pathology (Supplementary Table 4) and eosinophilia (Supplementary Fig. 5d–f). Together, these results confirm that the DIV vaccine would not be protective against infection with SHC014 and could possibly augment disease in the aged vaccinated group
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davidgmills
Bunk as stated so many times. 
Ye shall know the phony left by the gates they keep.
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Sriracha
Pffft!
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davidgmills
Well all you have is innuendo, lots of bias by any number of people, and no scientific proof.  I am still waiting for a single lab to test the virus and claim it was man made.  It is all over the world.  Any competent lab can test it.  That is how the scientific method is supposed to work.  This is a totally retestable situation.  In fact there probably has never been a situation where the original work was so available for testing by so many other countries, many of whom would love to stick it to China.

Any time somebody can retest another's work and doesn't two options occur: they think there is nothing wrong with it or they don't want to risk proving it was valid and are pretty sure that will be the case.

I can't tell you how many times as a litigator of science matters for over 35 years, I wondered why the courts would even get involved in matters of scientific dispute.  Should courts and juries decide whether science got it right?  If they do decide, should the decision be used to answer the scientific question?  My answer always was no. 

Now in nearly all of my cases there was my expert with no scientific challenge on the other side because the other side never wanted to risk having their expert agree with mine.  It was extremely rare to have another expert on the other side and the reason always was the other side did not want their expert to agree with mine.  Juries might be suspicious of mine but any suspicion would be eliminated by expert agreement.

So now you know why I won't let this stop until you get an expert that takes on all the others and disagrees.  I have seen this situation thousands of times in litigation.  It sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Sriracha
I just can't fathom your denial here. You have an article from 5 years ago where these scientist were bragging about creating SARS COV2 virus that will infect humans. Tested enough to know it would kill old people more than young people as is happening right now. Tested it enough to know that trying to vaccinate against it with current vaccines will actually make it worse in older people just as it is now.
You have a bioweapons expert from Rutgers on record 5 years ago saying all they did was create a non natural threat. You have articles of Chinese stealing these same engineered viruses from a lab in Canada and smuggling them to Wuhan!

IT's like you just want to argue. It's all right there by their own admission. Yet somehow that's not evidence to you.
Mind boggling.
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davidgmills
Yes I want to argue.  What scientists said five years ago is of zero value at to whether Covid 19 is man made. As in none, zip, nada.  And you keep reposting work done prior to 2019 as if it is relevant to this matter.  It is not relevant at all. Covid is not called Covid 2015 or 16.  It is called Covid 19.  These man made proponents need to have somebody test the fucking virus that is called Covid 2019 and claim that their testing of the virus proves that Covid 19 was man made.

If a reputable lab does test Covid 19 and then offers some  acceptable proof to the scientific community as to why they think their testing shows that the virus is man made, then and only then is a legitimate scientific debate as to whether this is man made. 

Right now there is zero basis for a scientific debate because nobody will take on the Chinese and other labs' test results and conclusions.  It is the same old story with everyone who has thus far made the claim that the virus is man made.  They will not do tests on Covid 19.

And I can't fathom your insistence that things done prior to December of 2019 are any proof whatsoever as to whether Covid 19 was man made.  All they do, at best, is prove that a virus like Covid 19 is possibly capable of being man made.

Let me make an analogy with similar logic.  The sequencing of the genome was like proof of a lay-down, slam-dunk alibi.  It doesn't matter how guilty someone may look from the circumstances, if an alibi proves that the accused is not the one who committed the crime.  At that point you have to prove the alibi is false before it is logical to conclude that the accused could be guilty.
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Sriracha
Ruh Roh!

Big time Czech doctor, geneticist and molecular biologist with mega credentials https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Pekova+S. says "that the genome sequence of SARS CoV-2 (COVID-19) is unlikely to be natural, and its characteristics suggest it was genetically engineered."

See my latest OP in recent news forum.
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